tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-19752207.post8132673053685813746..comments2023-12-31T16:21:50.498-05:00Comments on Enter The Door Within: The CONTINUING evolution of Evolution...WayneThomasBatsonhttp://www.blogger.com/profile/15837713579691260482noreply@blogger.comBlogger57125tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-19752207.post-4625086479570618002010-02-03T15:06:44.630-05:002010-02-03T15:06:44.630-05:00Hey, did you know that our embryos are actually ve...Hey, did you know that our embryos are actually very different in their first stages; and in order to make them look alike, scientists took embryos in different stages.Matthew Schochnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-19752207.post-22409991289624944472009-08-30T10:06:42.740-05:002009-08-30T10:06:42.740-05:00Nivas, I'm really pretty confused about Evolut...Nivas, I'm really pretty confused about Evolution, could you tell me how it works? how do you know what you're saying is true? who was there that saw it happen and told you? what evidence do you have?Wootonhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/02398769746282699971noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-19752207.post-23243604298096621522009-08-27T15:56:02.741-05:002009-08-27T15:56:02.741-05:00You can't bury your head in the sand and ignor...You can't bury your head in the sand and ignore the truth forever. All the evidence points towards the theory of evolution. No one knows for sure how or why the first cell formed, but it is certain that life evolved from that. What makes you so certain that your explanation of the origin of life is correct when there is no evidence for it, and in fact there is evidence against it? And by the way, evolution is not just a theory. It explains so much, and is the basis for the entire field of biology, and as such many scientists are considering making it a law of science. Will you Christians please stop trying to force pro-Creation science classes into schools? They only deprive the next generations of crucial, significant information and slow the pace of progress.Nivashttps://www.blogger.com/profile/14588463057997772392noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-19752207.post-6777026229686565772009-08-26T22:51:21.378-05:002009-08-26T22:51:21.378-05:00Great post, great discussion.
For biology, I did ...Great post, great discussion.<br /><br />For biology, I did "Exploring Creation with Biology" by Dr. Jay Wile. In it there is a unit on Evolution, and I found it very eye-opening. I saw how micro-evolution (changes within species) is pretty much a fact, and how macro-evolution (changing from one species into a new species) had many, many flaws with the idea. The one that made me roll my eyes was the whole thing about genetic "mutations." It's a completely different thing from micro-evolution! <br /><br />And a few nights ago, my family watched "Expelled: No Intelligence Allowed." I HIGHLY recommend it for anyone who doesn't fully understand all the complexities of the issue. <br /><br />Well, that's all I have time for, but thanks for a great discussion.Rachel Kimberlyhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/02750953159925477298noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-19752207.post-38549143069501366062009-08-19T19:32:39.742-05:002009-08-19T19:32:39.742-05:00I loved your post, and I loved your response about...I loved your post, and I loved your response about Theistic Evolution. Very good post!Kendra Loganhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/12648681788995627756noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-19752207.post-18886466850153646632009-08-19T15:09:44.807-05:002009-08-19T15:09:44.807-05:00I found a blog you might want to check out: http:...I found a blog you might want to check out: http://genesis11blog.blogspot.com/Parishttps://www.blogger.com/profile/05570429200595565076noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-19752207.post-29628253844049136852009-08-19T14:02:25.868-05:002009-08-19T14:02:25.868-05:00LOL, I like your pun about evolution being "N...LOL, I like your pun about evolution being "Nonsense by accident" Even if I were one of the scientist that believe evolution, I'd still have to laugh!!<br /><br />-BarieStorm Marie Whitehttps://www.blogger.com/profile/05440730806276007105noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-19752207.post-88417714278099200042009-08-18T19:18:11.792-05:002009-08-18T19:18:11.792-05:00DUDE, YOU AND I ARE TOTALLY ON THE SAME PAGE...EVO...DUDE, YOU AND I ARE TOTALLY ON THE SAME PAGE...EVOLUTION IS JUST LIKE THAT BEATLES SONG 'I AM THE WALRUS'<br />EXCEPT FOR TWO DIFFERENCES:<br />1:I AM THE WALRUS EXISTS AND EVOLUTION DONT<br />2: I AM THE WALRUS IS PURPOSEFULLY NONSENSICAL AND EVOLUTION IS NONSENSE BY ACCIDENT. XDXDXDGOATCHEESEnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-19752207.post-14123607288209521852009-08-18T12:49:48.331-05:002009-08-18T12:49:48.331-05:00Okaaay...everyone's said so much I'm tryin...Okaaay...everyone's said so much I'm trying to slow my crazy brain that's thinking a thousand things per second!<br /><br />1. I do not believe in evolution, or that God had any part in evolution.<br /><br />2. "a said" - you said that "with all this evidence everywhere, I can't imagine this creation fitting into a week. He could've done it had he wanted to, but that's too simple. It's like a college professor doing a elementary school project with crayons. Why not show how amazing He is and what He can do? "<br /><br />I believe He DID show us how amazing He is by creating everything in just 6 days! What is simple about that? He spoke everything in existence; He didn't have to use millions of years or a big bang. He created time for goodness sake!<br /><br />3. I have had LOTS of people and teachers tell me what "they think". One teacher said there couldn't have been an ice age, another said there was, another spoke against speaking in tongues, another mistranslated a verse in the Bible to my history class, etc. I know they are all sincere Christians with different ideas and I believe they're all going to heaven. Having different theories or ideas does not mean God rejects you and closes the pearly gates in your face.Parishttps://www.blogger.com/profile/05570429200595565076noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-19752207.post-49801067159813873382009-08-18T11:07:20.447-05:002009-08-18T11:07:20.447-05:00I agree, scientists aren't stupid!!I agree, scientists aren't stupid!!Anonymoushttps://www.blogger.com/profile/17870781952852576267noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-19752207.post-43532710449343619902009-08-17T19:08:48.390-05:002009-08-17T19:08:48.390-05:00This comment has been removed by the author.Storm Marie Whitehttps://www.blogger.com/profile/05440730806276007105noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-19752207.post-49059884453591653152009-08-17T16:28:50.416-05:002009-08-17T16:28:50.416-05:00Right on, Mark! Evolution is completely ludicrous ...Right on, Mark! Evolution is completely ludicrous in my opinion. Say you keep a monkey in a cage with a monkey of the oposite sex for years on end. What will they do. Bio-cellular scientists believe that they will, over a period of, Oh, a billion, years (give or take a couple million,)they mate and ever so slowly involve in to living, breathing humans.And we say that monkeys are monkeys. period. You think that the christian theory is even the slightest bit more propable? Are scientest the real geniouses(please forgive the spelling) we think they are? Text books are overflowing with garbage about the earth being billions of years old, that we were evolved from scum on the bottom of the ocean, an ocean that just happened to be created from a formula of nothing = nothing! They tell us the we were origanlly evolved from guck in the sea. They say the theory of intellegent design is stupid! Scientists need to get their facts straight. I hope you have benefitted from reading this and thank you for speaking your thoughts on this subject. <br /> God bless you,<br /> Seth SkogerboeSeth Skogerboehttps://www.blogger.com/profile/04285315261283176931noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-19752207.post-42344673333023353072009-08-15T19:24:18.099-05:002009-08-15T19:24:18.099-05:00I watched Expelled, also. It is a documentary by ...I watched Expelled, also. It is a documentary by Ben Stein and it was very good. I would definitely recommend it. This is the website for it, www.expelledthemovie.com. I think the thing that amazed me the most was when I think there was one man who said anyone who believed in creation or God was crazy or stupid But I remember as I watched the movie that I felt great pity for someone so deceived. He has so deceived himself into believing there is no God and some day he will find out how very wrong he is. There is no room in my life for anger or hate against someone like that, only pity.Kristihttps://www.blogger.com/profile/16115252450825885511noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-19752207.post-86633083133846581852009-08-14T10:15:04.041-05:002009-08-14T10:15:04.041-05:00This comment has been removed by the author.Anonymoushttps://www.blogger.com/profile/17870781952852576267noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-19752207.post-24093286221203497522009-08-14T10:14:44.248-05:002009-08-14T10:14:44.248-05:00the movie Expelled: No Intelligence Allowed is a g...the movie Expelled: No Intelligence Allowed is a great movie about Intelligent Design Vs. Evolution. I really thought it was a great movie. <br /><br />when Richard Dawkins is interviewed sometimes he simply says, "I don't know how life started"<br /><br />Why don't they think that possibly there could be a Creator?Anonymoushttps://www.blogger.com/profile/17870781952852576267noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-19752207.post-89227298860005737622009-08-13T21:06:46.958-05:002009-08-13T21:06:46.958-05:00I think that the Bible is literal, unless otherwis...I think that the Bible is literal, unless otherwise designated. I would also like to point out that "four corners of the earth" is an expression, but even then you might say that North, South, East and West are the four corners of the earth.<br />I would also say that, people changing over time is not macro evolution (as Mr. Batson pointed out) and I would be a fool to deny the existence of micro evolution (which has been proven).<br />I do have a couple of questions though: if we evolved, at what point did God deem us worthy to be made in his image? If it did take millions of years for people to evolve, wouldn't an innumerable about of creatures have had to die? if they did then death could not be part of the curse God put on man because he sinned.<br />Now, I realize that people do not have to believe the same way that I do, in fact, I don't think it really matters to your eternal salvation what you believe about the earth's beginning, so why have I argued my point? Because of something I learned, I spent the best week of my life at Worldview Academy and one of the many things that hit home (one of the smaller things in fact) was something a lecturer said: Know your doctrine. <br />If you do not know your doctrine then how can you possibly be prepared to face a non-christian and their questions? Never accept something that is just presented to you, you have The Truth at your disposal, always ground what you believe in the Bible, you must have a fixed moral point outside of yourself to which you can appeal. Why do I take the Bible literally? because that is the way I believe it was meant for us to use. Did all the water in Egypt turn to blood? could it perhaps have been some sort of bacteria? I have actually heard this before, but the Bible is quite clear: Exodus 7:20 And Moses and Aaron did so, as the LORD commanded; and he lifted up the rod, and smote the waters that were in the river, in the sight of Pharaoh, and in the sight of his servants; and all the waters that were in the river were turned to blood.<br />God can do ANYTHING.<br />I'm sorry for my tirade, I hope somebody will be able to get something useful out of this.<br /><br />~ChrisWootonhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/02398769746282699971noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-19752207.post-28587639213242198342009-08-13T11:17:07.500-05:002009-08-13T11:17:07.500-05:00This comment has been removed by the author.Storm Marie Whitehttps://www.blogger.com/profile/05440730806276007105noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-19752207.post-12206537769612675922009-08-12T14:29:58.181-05:002009-08-12T14:29:58.181-05:00Then everything was perfect for so many billion ye...Then everything was perfect for so many billion years, and the different components of life supported each other even though they were much different?<br />But yes, I do agree, being a Christian Evolvutionist' won't keep you from Heaven.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-19752207.post-67703668160238278642009-08-12T13:35:30.561-05:002009-08-12T13:35:30.561-05:00Hello guys! To Anonymous: Actually, everything pro...Hello guys! To Anonymous: Actually, everything probably didn’t evolve at once. I bet it didn’t. Man probably took way longer. And, you know what, that’s why we are more complex beings than my cat.<br /><br />Hello Mr. Batson. First off, I absolutely agree. Whether or not you accept Creationism or Evolution, God still loves you, and if you believe He died for you, you’re saved. And all scientists are smart, though incorrect sometimes. And, they deserve respect no matter what. Rather, everyone does. So, thanks everyone for keeping this civil. I’ve had other conversations about this that were just downright rude. (Also, I love that verse: “If on any point you disagree…” Do you know what book it is in? I’d like to copy it down.)<br /><br />Also, couldn’t just a lot of microevolutions happened over 15 billion years? Granted, that would be quite a change, but I think it could happen.<br /><br />The problem is kinda on both sides (MAJOR GENERALIZATION!) Not all people are like this, but still. Scientists need to finally give God the credit, and drop their pride. God gave us a brain, which is wonderful, but GOD gave it to us. Not monkeys. Not the cosmos. Not chance. Also, there are some parts of evolution I don’t agree with, besides the atheistic standpoint. Women are “fully formed” and people of African-American descent are not in the least inferior in any way. But, evolution is normally associated with not believing in God. My teacher (I go to a Christian school) told us about Theistic Evolution, and the kids were just in shock. “No way! Really? Can you still believe that? But, wait, they believe in God and everything?” It was crazy.<br /><br />There are some gaps. But, there are gaps in the Theory of Gravity, I think. And, that’s a theory too. No one has been down to the core of the earth, no matter what Jules Verne says.Anoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-19752207.post-27240233569013147732009-08-11T19:52:47.438-05:002009-08-11T19:52:47.438-05:00Ah, I had quite the struggle over evolution with m...Ah, I had quite the struggle over evolution with my Biology teacher... The thing is, they act like by connecting a few unrelated dots they come up with a true, full, unchangable truth. The very presence of consciousness of right and wrong already speaks volumes for purpose. But to denote everything around us as a mere random chance? The scientists are only contradicting themselves by saying chaos was brought into order by what? Countless what if's? Chaos gave birth to an elaborate order by mere chance? When will they see?Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-19752207.post-82556900050643781572009-08-11T10:55:46.820-05:002009-08-11T10:55:46.820-05:00This comment has been removed by the author.Israle Surrnakhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/02637322963567476619noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-19752207.post-43064037698133419312009-08-11T10:27:39.407-05:002009-08-11T10:27:39.407-05:00Thanks for keeping the dialogue respectful here......Thanks for keeping the dialogue respectful here...as it should be among Christians. I don't think the Bible allows for "Theistic Evolution," the thought that evolution is the way creation came about but God orchestrated it all. However, I don't believe that a belief in evolution will disqualify a person from heaven. God tells us "if on any point you disagree, pray and God will make it clear." (Bat Paraphrase by the way).<br /><br />As for why are there so many variations in people: skin color, facial features, etc. That's what we call microevolution--subtle changes that do not change the species into something else. We observe microevolution occurring all the time. However, if one generation of people developed a third eyeball capable of shooting laser beams...well, then we'd have to reconsider.<br /><br />Just to reiterate a few things: 1. Biologists and Scientists are NOT stupid. They are among the brightest minds in the world. But, just like everyone else, they are seeing through the glass darkly. They are heavily influenced by their biases. So when they see the human hand sharing mechanical features with an ape hand or a fish fin or a bat wing, their bias won't let them see the obvious possibility that the same brilliant Author created all these things. <br /><br />2. These folks are sincere, but they are deceived. The evidence in the fossil record flies in the face of all that they believe. And since Darwin, evolutionists have constantly morphed their theories to match newer discoveries--which is, after all, the scientific method. Hypothesize, test, change hypothesis. The problem is, they aren't changing their hypothesis enough. Look at the evidence and go the WHOLE way. Evolution isn't remotely the most likely hypothesis. <br /><br />3. The biggest problem is this: while the scientific community has been flip-flopping their theory to fit new discoveries, they've been presenting their theory as FACT to the world at large. This is evil on a hellish scale. Generations of kids are being taught that they have no meaning besides that which they assign themselves. That they are cosmic accidents with no higher purpose. Whole schools of psychology have risen to tell people to "look within themselves" to make improvements in their lives. Uhm...if they could do that, why would they have come to the counselor? Hello.WayneThomasBatsonhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/15837713579691260482noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-19752207.post-81196395298118437502009-08-11T09:38:23.250-05:002009-08-11T09:38:23.250-05:00And what evidence is that? And why would God put t...And what evidence is that? And why would God put things in ways that are contradictory to what actually happened in Genesis? He doesn't anywhere else in the Bible. And about us being different...isn't that pointed out in the Bible?<br />Another thing: God created the different components that support life on each day. He made man on the last day for a reason. How then, do you say that everything evolved at once? The animals keep all living beings alive with different ways. They would have all died if they weren't exactly what supports life, at the exact same time. Everything would be dead now if it took billons of years, even if the chemicals did come together. Yes, God COULD have used it. He's not limited. But he just didn't, that's what the Bible says, and what SCIENCE says.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-19752207.post-67492626522993657942009-08-11T06:54:16.100-05:002009-08-11T06:54:16.100-05:00You're right - It does matter. Though, maybe n...You're right - It does matter. Though, maybe not as much. I do take very literally, "you will be saved through faith." It's hard to tell what to take literally or not. But, other verses help out a litte. The one about the "day in the Lord's court is a thousand on earth" would help, for example. <br /><br />Now, again with interpretation. The latest scientific theory DOES NOT in any way prove that God does not exsist. It's just how the media and scientists twist the facts, but the facts still reflect. If we discover a new species or really anything, it just shows how awesome God is. Though most people take it as "Look how smart our genius brains are!".<br /><br />You should'nt rely only on the Bible, because God also gave us something else: experience and the ability to reason. The Bible is absolutely key, and if you take science, research, ask questions, etc. they both compliment each other.<br /><br />Also, you can take the Bible literally in most areas. Even in the human race we say things that people interpret differently. Like sarcasm, though I'm not overly sure that God is sarcastic in the Bible, except when Elijah taunted the people at the altar. Anyway, the point being is this: The Bible is true and everything you read in it is true. But, it depends on how you read and how you think.<br /><br />Honestly, with all this evidence everywhere, I can't imagine this creation fitting into a week. He could've done it had he wanted to, but that's too simple. It's like a college professor doing a elementary school project with crayons. Why not show how amazing He is and what He can do? <br /><br />Read this article on Fish Wars by Wendee Holtcamp. http://www.asa3.org/aSA/topics/Youth%20Page/FishWars1.html It's pretty good. You know how they have the Christian fish and the Darwin fish. I saw on this guy's car a Christian fish being eaten by a Darwin fish. There was a third fish that was eating the Darwin fish, though. A Christian fish.<br /><br />Check out the article. I think that might clear a few things up.<br /><br />Anyway, thanks guys. I'll check in later.Anoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-19752207.post-44152597412100526682009-08-11T04:12:01.847-05:002009-08-11T04:12:01.847-05:00I have to agree with Neil, it does matter how God ...I have to agree with Neil, it does matter how God did it, not just that He did. He is Almighty God, the Creator, we shouldn't put limitations on Him. Just because it is incomprehensible to others does not make it impossible for God. <br /><br />Psalm 33:6-9 says, "6By the word of the LORD the heavens were made, And by the breath of His mouth all their host.<br />7He gathers the waters of the sea together as a heap; He lays up the deeps in storehouses. 8Let all the earth fear the LORD: Let all the inhabitants of the world stand in awe of Him. 9For He spoke, and it was done; He commanded, and it stood fast." <br /><br />If you cannot take God and His Word literally, then what is the point? I realize there are some figures of speech in the Bible, but I don't think that is something that is happening in regards to creation. Do you really think you could trust God if you can't take His Word literally? We need to give credit to God for being God. He is God Most High, the Creator, the All Sufficient One; He is more than we will ever know or understand. He doesn't need science or anyone else to prove Him or His works.Kristihttps://www.blogger.com/profile/16115252450825885511noreply@blogger.com